Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 05 October 2022 04:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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On 05-Oct-22 16:48, Lloyd W wrote:
> Followed Brian's link, and the number of dead not-redirected links, that result in trying to follow the reasoning behind the action, is considerable.

The first link on that page is broken (I already ticketed that) but it should be
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/pO_FRTNh6T0PK9HQKAlD7D1fhMw/

Unfortunately the "old" mail archive has been removed so yes, there are many broken links hidden behind that one. Sigh.

     Brian

> 
> A case for redirection, and for better archiving to preserve institutional memory?
> 
> ad hominem approaches are best avoided, and most of us learn that early.
> 
> Lloyd Wood
> lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
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>> On 5 Oct 2022, at 14:40, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Kjetil,
>>
>> On 05-Oct-22 10:42, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
>> ...
>>> This BCP is just one more step towards this splintering.
>>
>> This BCP was approved and published in 2004, and has been applied
>> very rarely. There were two cases in early 2006, and one in May 2019.
>> (https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/posting-rights-actions/)
>>
>> I was IETF Chair at the time of the first two, and I can assure you
>> it was a very time consuming and worrying responsibility, and the
>> number of private insults I received was considerable.
>>
>> I think uncivil and/or divisive language has been our problem,
>> not the very occasional PR actions in response.
>>
>> Regards,
>>    Brian Carpenter
>>
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