Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

[Rob Sayre <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

I support this action. I think it would be best to rewrite the charter of
ietf@ that says "the most general list", since that remit is clearly being
used to waste time, which is the only currency we all have in common.

thanks,
Rob

On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 3:10 PM Tim Bray <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I fully support this action.  I am one of those who left ietf@ for
> obvious reasons and would hope that this sort of action might make it a
> more useful space in future.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 9:16 AM IETF Chair <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Following community feedback after various incidents, as documented
>> below, the
>> IESG has initiated a posting rights (PR) action that would restrict the
>> posting
>> rights of Dan Harkins, as per the procedures found in BCP 83 (RFC 3683).
>> Specifically, his posting privileges to these lists would be suspended:
>>
>> * admin-discuss
>> * gendispatch
>> * ietf
>> * terminology
>>
>> In the IESG's opinion, this individual has a history of sending emails
>> that are
>> inconsistent with the IETF Guidelines for Conduct (RFC 7154) and thereby
>> "disrupt the consensus-driven process" (RFC 3683). Among these are
>> contributions
>> that:
>>
>> * Express racism in the form of denying, belittling, and ridiculing
>> anti-racist
>>   sentiment and efforts
>>
>> * Are rude and abusive, and often amount to insulting ridicule
>>
>> (Links to examples of such emails sent to the lists above during the last
>> two
>> years are provided at the end of this email.)
>>
>> Multiple attempts have been made to enter into a private discussion with
>> this
>> individual, both by IESG and community members, to communicate disquiet
>> with his
>> conduct on the lists. These attempts to restore respectful and courteous
>> conduct
>> on the lists have been rebuffed with communication that can be considered
>> both
>> antagonistic and hostile, and the pattern of behavior observed has
>> continued.
>>
>> The IESG also notes that the following actions have already been taken in
>> response to the individual's actions:
>>
>> * Two I-Ds were removed from the public archive due to their offensive
>> nature:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-les-white-intersectional-dots
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-les-white-tls-preferred-pronouns
>>   (following these links displays the tombstone notice explaining their
>> removal)
>>
>> * His posting rights were restricted on the admin-discuss mailing list:
>>
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/admin-discuss/ZANH2VPN-U8VMvvOWLb5l03FdCs/
>>
>> * A final public warning was issued on the gendispatch mailing list:
>>
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/68a4amMa1aiaRUPzPGgXdiY9gHg/
>>
>> None of the attempts to discuss his participation style or warn the
>> individual
>> have led to any improvements. The IESG therefore believes that a PR
>> action is
>> the correct response to his continued problematic behavior across a
>> number of
>> different lists.
>>
>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>> final
>> comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
>> [e-mail] mailing lists by 27 October 2022. Exceptionally,
>> comments may
>> be sent to [e-mail] instead. If sending private feedback to the
>> IESG,
>> please indicate if you would be open to having your comments anonymized
>> and
>> shared in a summary.
>>
>> Please note: Comments should be limited to the criteria described in BCP
>> 83,
>> notably on whether the individual in question has engaged in postings
>> that are
>> "unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject" in a manner
>> disruptive enough to warrant this action.
>>
>> Lars Eggert
>> IETF Chair, on behalf of the IESG
>> –-
>>
>> Examples of problematic emails during the last two years include:
>>
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/zdq3F0PV40Cyw5ooj0orOWaYyUw/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/i-d7HlWgrkmrVlC7JZQSXDwIJCQ/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/YhPI9zZ_3xfidt5V-ORRnET36yY/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/B33zk8VfOYt4b4Cj-kIHXG3AXdg/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/d3iDS4WNkCJA3aMFnX2HjP4tsps/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/-On8AHrdnnCMlJOOyb1M1nlYMpk/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/n6UMvDuYLKmmvpP1ajICFvf634M/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/QCdjDbokmlARcwVqQ1TV3Rlz7eQ/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/X6OF0MBKAzyLhYaAfAxS6srXRNw/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/idJhG1MsLmKHyRlaAafcW2JF6Z8/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipsec/LoGSVatZ4EsYRq4K52rmvRZTndk/
>> * https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/pl2lVqhtF4Z-0YuTjhCOmdyi1qE/
>> * https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/DFgnF_j8py_eMBGI1IUFdMahTKw/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/T3oCpY3BbTNLXWAWsCnFvahRLUQ/
>> *
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/admin-discuss/xLuz4WTCm5ibIiMVN5ID8OWsCI0/
>>
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