Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> Fri, 28 October 2022 06:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On 10/27/22 10:03 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> On 10/27/22 20:39, John C Klensin wrote:
>>
>> --On Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:27 -0500 Adam Roach
>> <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/27/2022 10:24 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>> But, again, your suggestion and mine don't seem very different
>>>> in practice, especially if there are no further inappropriate
>>>> postings.
>>> I will reiterate my previous point about the unlikelihood of
>>> this outcome, given that there have been inappropriate
>>> postings by Dan in this thread itself.
>> I believe at least most of those posting preceded the messages
>> from Dan about what he now understood and would not repeat in
>> the future.  If there are exceptions since then (I don't recall
>> any but have found these threads someone overwhelming), I
>> believe they fall into the range in which there seems to be
>> considerable disagreement in the community about appropriateness
>> or lack thereof.
>
>
> Yes, the thread has become rather voluminous again, so it's 
> understandable that you missed my most recent message on this topic. 
> The point I was reiterating was previously made in my email archived 
> here: 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/4jcDzgVDkqtL401Cp7ne5CijOC0/

   It's a bit to unroll but I was responding to someone who called April 
Fools
jokes "hateful and bullying". And my response that my accuser was unable to
see the obvious parody is, according to Adam, "egregious and beyond 
excuse".
OK, well if that's the standard....

   Just to remind everyone, on this thread alone:

   - I've been accused, without evidence, of being "captive to a 
political ideology
      and world view that is antithetical to the objective of creating 
an Internet
      that is for everyone" and Adam said nothing about that;

   - I've been accused, without evidence, of taking part in some wild 
conspiracy
      involving being in the service of the mistress of an unnamed 
Russian diplomat
      and vague accusations of Holocaust denial and antisemitism, and 
again Adam
      said nothing about that.

I'd be a bit more accepting and understanding of the types of norms that
people are suggesting for these lists if their standard was applied 
uniformly.

   Dan.

-- 
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius