Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Bron Gondwana <> Thu, 06 October 2022 13:59 UTC

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Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 00:58:43 +1100
From: Bron Gondwana <>
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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 22:05, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote:
> > On 10/06/2022 12:34 AM EDT Dan Harkins <> wrote:
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> So Jay Daley says:  "The alternative of wealthy, credentialed, white people not wishing to do that makes me wary that either they are racist, or sympathise with racists, or seek to diminish or ignore the historic impact of racism."
> This is an extremely dangerous point of view for the leader of the IETF.  He is basically saying that if you disagree with him or even have no interest in the efforts of the Terminology WG then you are a racist.  And based of his first sentence, it looks like he's looking for some retribution.  I now think Jay Daley is a racist.

Moderator hat on: the claim "I think X is racist" is not acceptable on this list (by anybody, about anybody) and not relevant to the PR action.  A general "other people discuss racism in this way" is acceptable to compare whether Dan's posts are within the norm for IETF list behaviour when assessing the PR, but assumptions or accusations about the participants are not.

Please desist from posting such claims about others (all of you, not just this message I'm responding to).

To be clear, if you said "I think Jay expressed racism in this message" then that would be OK, certainly by the standard set by the text of the PR.  The difference is between saying "message X (written by person Y) appears to express racism" rather than "I think person Y is a racist".



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