Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@dropnumber.com> Mon, 03 October 2022 01:16 UTC

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Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:16:21 -0400
From: Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@dropnumber.com>
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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> On 10/02/2022 8:10 PM EDT Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> On 10/2/22 14:04, Keith Moore wrote:
> > On 10/2/22 18:49, Adam Roach wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/2/22 10:02, Keith Moore wrote:
> >>> To me what is toxic is the intolerance of the expression of 
> >>> alternative views. 
> >>
> >>
> >> I trust that the misdirection from "disruptive behavior" to 
> >> "unpopular opinion" was unintentional.
> > I don't think there was any misdirection, and I didn't use either term 
> > in the message you were replying to.
> >
> 
> I have less trust now.


I have less trust now too, but for a completely different reason.  The originating email to this thread states that the IESG has already formed an opinion, (Dan is bad) thereby tainting the results of the poll, even if only subconsciously, so that those who may want to be seen in a favorable light by the IESG would naturally back up their previously expoused decision and respond accordingly.

Where the originating email goes on to describe that the IESG does not like to be rebuffed with communication that can be considered both
antagonistic and hostile, it puts the poll responder on notice to get in line.