Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Keith Moore <> Wed, 05 October 2022 04:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On 10/5/22 00:19, Christian Huitema wrote:

> It can also certainly do with the kind of trolling found in 
> in which Dan pretends to be offended by the use of the word "native" 
> in some computer languages. 

(While I agree with the statement as written, I'm just guessing that you 
meant "without")

One could call that trolling, or one could call it satire or parody or a 
joke.   When skillfully used, humor can be a useful way of disarming an 
emotional response and allowing the author's intent to be more readily 
seen.   IETF has a long tradition of humor in general, some of which has 
been very similar to this message.  I don't want to see IETF become a 
completely dry, excessively formal, deliberation body.

I don't think that statement was insulting, certainly not to anyone 


p.s. I was just reading a "friend of the court" brief written on behalf 
of the satirical publication /The Onion/, arguing that the US Supreme 
Court should grant review of a lower court's ruling against parody.   
The brief is quite amusing, and I think it helps make amici's point more