[Last-Call] Mail Archive Redirection (was Re: OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins])

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Wed, 05 October 2022 04:10 UTC

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Subject: [Last-Call] Mail Archive Redirection (was Re: OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins])
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On 10/4/2022 10:48 PM, Lloyd W wrote:
> Followed Brian's link, and the number of dead not-redirected links, that result in trying to follow the reasoning behind the action, is considerable.
> A case for redirection, and for better archiving to preserve institutional memory?

For the earlier PR actions, the email links point to "www1.ietf.org", 
which appears to not quite serve the same purpose as it did back in 
2005. The tools team *did* attempt to make sure the old links to emails 
were correctly redirected to the new mailarchive.ietf.org page, but 
apparently missed this domain. If you simply change "www1.ietf.org" to 
"www.ietf.org" in those links, I think you'll find they work. Sadly, the 
missing messages hosted outside of IETF's own servers may be lost to 
history, which is one of the main reasons I've always been an advocate 
of hosting IETF mailing lists on IETF's own servers and never anywhere else.

I'm copying Robert Sparks to see if this is something that can be easily 
fixed on the server side. Robert: for context, Lloyd is referring to 
emails cited by earlier PR actions, such as the ones in this message: 

For the 2019 PR Action that I sheparded, the cited messages were removed 
from the mail archive at some point, although the specifics of when or 
by whom (or whose request) remain mysterious. If you feel inclined to 
seek them out for whatever reason, I'll warn you that their contents 
crossed quite a few lines of propriety; for example, the first message 
cited in the PR action included links to pictures of women whom the  
subject of the action claimed he had paid to perform certain degrading 
and non-family-friendly acts to him. Many of the others rose to nearly 
the same level. Their removal is unsurprising, as hosting them may have 
opened the IETF up to several different kinds of legal action (although 
I'll note that I'm nothing remotely similar to a lawyer).