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Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Fri, 28 October 2022 05:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On 10/27/22 20:39, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> --On Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:27 -0500 Adam Roach
> <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/27/2022 10:24 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> But, again, your suggestion and mine don't seem very different
>>> in practice, especially if there are no further inappropriate
>>> postings.
>> I will reiterate my previous point about the unlikelihood of
>> this outcome, given that there have been inappropriate
>> postings by Dan in this thread itself.
> I believe at least most of those posting preceded the messages
> from Dan about what he now understood and would not repeat in
> the future.  If there are exceptions since then (I don't recall
> any but have found these threads someone overwhelming), I
> believe they fall into the range in which there seems to be
> considerable disagreement in the community about appropriateness
> or lack thereof.


Yes, the thread has become rather voluminous again, so it's 
understandable that you missed my most recent message on this topic. The 
point I was reiterating was previously made in my email archived here: 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/4jcDzgVDkqtL401Cp7ne5CijOC0/

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