Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> Thu, 06 October 2022 15:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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   Lloyd,

   If you're gonna characterize an email I sent at least send a
link to the email in question, not your highly edited response!
Here it is:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/zFp5a7GDZ7osaQa1hqsjq6yEEJU/

   Note that I didn't say you had dementia. I said that since you
were not capable of seeing quite obvious sarcasm, I suggested you
get checked out. You were, after all, taking an *April Fools* draft
as a serious proposal. Merely having symptoms does not make one sick
but it's always good to make sure.

   This is yet another example of my previous note (which Lars says
is "problematic") in which I note that people divine for offense as
a kind of power grab. Searching and parsing and looking for ways in
which one can take offense in order to demand satisfaction. It's
pathetic.

   What's interesting is that the email you mention was not in Lars'
list yet you say it was "pretty much the email that finally prompted
the IESG to respond". Really? Hey IESG, is this true? Has Lloyd
been lobbying you to initiate this PR Action? Is he behind this?
Do tell!

   Dan.

On 10/4/22 8:34 PM, lloydwood@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/0dRmWOrIlTZtsIcR4kNPvPYmvpI/
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> was pretty much the email that finally prompted the IESG to respond and finally do the PR action, so I'm surprised that it wasn't included in the IESG list.
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> Nevertheless, I look forward to not reading Keith's lengthy response attempting to exculpate Harkins.
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> Lloyd Wood
> lloydwood@users.sourceforge.net
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> On Wednesday, 5 October 2022 at 12:28:26 GMT+11, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
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> On 10/4/22 20:31, lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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>> Harkins told me he thought I had dementia.
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>> that is deliberate, it is insulting, it is malicious, and it is bullying.
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>> Stop making excuses for him.
> For the purpose of this discussion, I'm confining my research to the
> messages cited in the Last Call announcement.   It's enough work to
> understand the context surrounding each of those messages, which IMO is
> vital to evaluating them, without trying to evaluate other messages and
> their contexts.  More generally, I'm not interested in participating in
> a fishing expedition to dig up dirt on anybody, and I don't think the
> Last Call or a PR-action should be treated as an invitation to do that.
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> I'm not saying your accusation is right or wrong, but I do suggest that
> maybe it's out of scope for this conversation.
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> Keith
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