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From: John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>
To: Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@symbolic.software>, Deb Cooley <debcooley1@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Re: Warning and removal of message
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Hi,

I think a warning should almost always be the first action, and I think a warning was appropriate in this case. I think the IETF should be very restrictive with bans, and moderation is only appropriate after continued misbehavior.

In most legal systems, a key distinction is whether a person acted with intent (planning/premeditation) or in a state of affect (an emotional, impulsive reaction). I think IETF mail moderation should use the same principle.

Finally, I support the decision not to remove the emails. Transparency is essential, maintaining a full public record allows the community to judge the conduct of all parties for themselves.

Cheers,
John Preuß Mattsson

From: Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@symbolic.software>
Date: Friday, 22 May 2026 at 09:43
To: Deb Cooley <debcooley1@gmail.com>
Cc: soatok.dhole@gmail.com <soatok.dhole@gmail.com>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; last-call@ietf.org <last-call@ietf.org>; TLS List <tls@ietf.org>; stndrds-inacio stndrds-inacio <stndrds-inacio@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [TLS] Re: Warning and removal of message

If that message only gets a warning, I can scarcely imagine what kind of thing one must send to the TLS mailing list to actually receive a ban.

Except, of course, people have had their posts moderated for 30 days for much less.

Nadim Kobeissi
Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software

On 19 May 2026, at 4:37 PM, Deb Cooley <debcooley1@gmail.com> wrote:

This is an official warning to Soatok Dreamseeker per RFC 3934 Section 2 [0], regarding the message sent in reply to https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/YuPYdAeSRJkSkfPZsVxGtbLwAb4/ (also sent to the last-call list).  The content of this message is disruptive to both the TLS working group progress and IETF Last Call progress.

In addition to this warning, the message will be hidden from the mail archive for TLS and last-call.

Deb Cooley
Security AD

[0] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3934.html#section-2
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