Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Dan Harkins <> Tue, 04 October 2022 05:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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   Regarding my drafts that got removed, April Fools drafts are not serious
and have never been intended to be taken that way. Yet our esteemed IETF
Chair took them as serious. I'm not sure why.

   I co-authored another one that is not only still in the archives [1]
but has, unfortunately, been implemented. It's full of sarcasm:

   "It's speculated that RSA Data Security, Inc. has made various claims
    relating to use of pre-shared keys, but these claims have not yet been
    tested in court."

and it also includes several people in the acknowledgements section that
never complained:

   "The authors would like to thank Roy Pereira, Steve Sneddon, William
    Dixon, Rob Adams, Perry Metzger, Bronislav Kavsan, and Ran Atkinson
    for their encouragement in writing this draft."

The draft proposed a pre-shared key for the Internet that was taken from
a menu at a Jamaican restaurant and the key is the pidgin for "I would
like to try the goat." Unsurprisingly, no one got upset.

   But that was in 1998, it was a very different time. People afforded
each other greater latitude in comments and behavior and there was not
this current desire to claim victimhood or assert violence has been
committed from words. The salad days of the IETF, gone forever....



On 10/3/22 6:34 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 10/3/22 21:21, John C Klensin wrote:
>> But, AFAICT, none of that has anything to do with BCP 83 because
>> it, again, AFAICT, is strictly about mailing lists.
> Mostly agree, but IESG did cite their censorship of Dan's drafts in 
> support of their proposed action.  By now it's pointless to relitigate 
> that censorship as the immediate damage has already been done and is 
> irreparable.   But in the context of this PR-action it's fair, IMO, to 
> question the propriety of IESG using their previous action to support 
> their proposed action.
> Keith

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