[Last-Call] Professional organization? [was Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org> Fri, 07 October 2022 15:38 UTC

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Subject: [Last-Call] Professional organization? [was Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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On 10/7/22 07:30, Ted Lemon wrote:
> Precisely. The reality of communication, particularly communication with
> strangers, is that you MUST assume that what you say will be taken
> literally. And if you say something that, taken literally, is offensive,
> /you/ are responsible for giving offense, not the person who misunderstood
> your intent. Of course we all can stand to be careful not to needlessly
> take offense, and of course we all want to think of each other as friends
> who understand each other.
> 
> But in order for a diverse community to be inclusive, certain best
> practices must be followed. One of these is: always speak literally. Never
> try to convey information ironically. That may be how you interact with
> your friends, and that's fine. But this is a professional organization that
> does work, not a kaffeeklatsch where we hang out for pleasure. Even if you

When did the IETF became a professional organization? (for reference, ACM *is* a professional organization).

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