IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-koster-rep-06.txt> (Robots Exclusion Protocol) to Informational RFC

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 28 February 2022 23:11 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@taugh.com>
X-Original-To: last-call@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: last-call@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5953A16E0 for <last-call@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 15:11:05 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.11
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=ZwUKTTfg; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=n9HXW7nj
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmuUex1XblAe for <last-call@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 15:11:00 -0800 (PST)
Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4704A3A16AB for <last-call@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 15:10:59 -0800 (PST)
Received: (qmail 49153 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2022 23:10:57 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=bfff.621d5681.k2202; bh=Ba0mLdwwNFN+7/iw4iWoElHp1vmgOi3jAWhvdKv6iHc=; b=ZwUKTTfgjHxrjBrXZ5yiBsp9nwVxa516Nj35MKWF/cYv79iNJYD63S6huwTdnqeuwc40Hs+PREil10s8JOq5Is7aL/wMfS8QwmICMBBmT3IUBOM/b4m0AdwtepXAI1N9awi2JpJDWejnIWVi0D/4jAG7H7mmJiqqZUcd8boTZkBtrW1LrBgXHdzFiP/UNMERSltqfbjvGm/r/zzieu3WAW1mipVrRqLHhyOBaZ/JQ+Mp+Ep+cIm1LiIMF9McbycZhs2NlPDd5e9NfOZBefNOAe9T2v0XanNTOOfJZb9gYysn/tiVU6S5BgmzB4zKpPNZbB7GPpAuERm0e1TvskPO0A==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=bfff.621d5681.k2202; bh=Ba0mLdwwNFN+7/iw4iWoElHp1vmgOi3jAWhvdKv6iHc=; b=n9HXW7njLuXX0PsJ+Jc7WJdexjquCvbL+CDzSxSJxQFOe4Xcs4ByxFBYTZhopOkzLZa1IaDWXWfuteq9UYwLH7HCHbufkquriJRk1CrEKzF2EQEXyIQe+BIMIEsRgSH8PoDlDrZkX6cEstaFC1OhxMum2SEQOJeE+XmQSRAw6zC1oEgRIrn6QnNrHRga+8wcFmk0tLCvaSoeIwgD6fqeD1XJ+XjTVR8K2bURJPouW9+sY5prqXM7+3t6XoPAsFehwlYGuIK4zka/zYOcmw0x8v4uUMSuXrPu1EmBRWxi4X8ZmVZUGMzMT2gJNzMxvRVuKSCDTQw9TNK/clbSZMFKwQ==
Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 28 Feb 2022 23:10:56 -0000
Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8A580384487A; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:10:52 -0500 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ary.qy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09033384485C; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:10:52 -0500 (EST)
Date: 28 Feb 2022 18:10:51 -0500
Message-ID: <1ccc6ac2-6c1e-d18d-64b6-79ec1108cf4b@taugh.com>
From: "John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
To: "Mark Nottingham" <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: last-call@ietf.org
X-X-Sender: johnl@ary.qy
In-Reply-To: <245C65D2-EC38-4C49-9CA0-3DD687CB37DA@mnot.net>
References: <20220228222932.825F33844270@ary.qy> <245C65D2-EC38-4C49-9CA0-3DD687CB37DA@mnot.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/gQAQLPkK3gg9mbL4xI6yPeFBlwQ>
Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-koster-rep-06.txt> (Robots Exclusion Protocol) to Informational RFC
X-BeenThere: last-call@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Last Calls <last-call.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/last-call>, <mailto:last-call-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/last-call/>
List-Post: <mailto:last-call@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:last-call-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/last-call>, <mailto:last-call-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 23:11:06 -0000

On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> I'm uncomfortable leaving change control for a key interoperability mechanism in the search market in the hands of one competitor, yet blessing it as part of the IETF stream. I think the IETF as a whole should be uncomfortable with that too, given current competition enforcement trends.

The main author is Martijn Koster who invented robots.txt in 1996.

I see in Google's blog that they want it to be an Internet Standard, which 
is of course not compatible with a "no derivatives" license.  So I concur 
with the advice that they need to change the license.

https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2019/07/rep-id

Still think they should take out <CODE BEGINS> on the examples.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

v2.8.7 | Report a Bug | By Email