Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Keith Moore <> Sun, 02 October 2022 20:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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On 10/2/22 15:08, Rob Sayre wrote:

> Ofer Inbar wrote the best way to look at toxicity I've seen recently:
> <>
It occurs to me that perhaps people's experiences with other online 
discussion fora in the past 20 years or so have conditioned or changed 
people's expectations of behavior on IETF mailing lists. People are who 
are burned out from toxicity in other fora may now be much less tolerant 
of varying opinions on IETF lists than we once were.   But we still need 
that tolerance to function.

Maybe IETF participants really do need some reassurance that truly toxic 
behavior will be curtailed so that can feel like continued participation 
won't be overly burdensome on them.   But so far there's been a general 
reluctance to define what the bounds are with any useful degree of 

On a typical social media platform, censoring an individual, even 
somewhat arbitrarily, might be seen to have a minor effect.   In IETF, 
it means loss of legitimacy of the organization.