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Re: [Last-Call] [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-09

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 02 April 2022 21:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-09
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On 03-Apr-22 06:12, Fred Baker wrote:
> Gee, I thought we had learned from the OSI debacle that options are places in which protocols break!

Well, where interoperability breaks, for sure. But sometimes the real world is complicated enough that there must be choices available.

> 
> Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways...
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Jürgen Schönwälder via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> - First, it seems to me that there are many options and there is no
>>   clear mandatory to implement baseline.

I'm not sure that in this case it's possible to identify a one-size-fits-all MTI subset. Perhaps it will become possible as IOT deployment scenarios stabilize?

    Brian

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