[Last-Call] Consensus call (was: Other stuff)

Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Wed, 26 October 2022 20:29 UTC

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From: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
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Subject: [Last-Call] Consensus call (was: Other stuff)
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On 25 Oct 2022, at 14:03, Card, Stu wrote:

> WRT the narrower "last call" question, I do not see evidence of 
> consensus.

First, the criteria is "rough consensus", not "consensus". See RFC 7282 
for my (and some other people's) view on what that means. In the case of 
a discussion where some people express "A" and some people express "not 
A", that is not, in and of itself, evidence of lack of rough consensus.

Second, determining (rough) consensus is not our call to make. It's the 
IESG's in the case of IETF-wide Last Calls. Pointing out that a 
particular view has not been taken into account in the discussion seems 
perfectly reasonable to me, but I don't think claiming that there is or 
isn't rough consensus is particularly useful or appropriate (anymore 
than saying, "Pete's point definitely beats Stu's point" is).

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