Re: [Last-Call] On satire, sarcasm, etc (was: Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins)

Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> Thu, 27 October 2022 17:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] On satire, sarcasm, etc (was: Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins)
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   Roland,

   I did not write the email you refer to but your email suggests
I did. Care to correct the record?

   thanks,

   Dan.

On 10/27/22 9:56 AM, Bless, Roland (TM) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this discussion is actually drifting away from an important
> aspect. It is actually not about satire, sarcasm, first or second
> language etc. It is about unprofessional behavior: there has been
> numerous feedback on Dan's messages that people obviously found them
> transgressing. Dan simply should have stopped continuing using satire,
> sarcasm, but continued to deliberately write offending messages.
> Sowing discord is unprofessional (as in the recent message here
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/UP7kNpleMnDGxbuQcc2FbEa_yOo/). 
>
>
> Regards,
>  Roland
>
> On 27.10.22 at 17:09 Keith Moore wrote:
>> On 10/27/22 09:36, Bron Gondwana wrote:
>>
>>> The IETF choses to do its work in English, though that choice is 
>>> likewise not more "justified" than other choices, it's just  what 
>>> the majority likes.  And we can likewise, as the IETF, choose to use 
>>> a subset of English forms of communication, such that our style is 
>>> most widely understood, and least likely to be misunderstood.
>>
>> Yes, we (the community) can make that choice.   But we have not 
>> (yet?) made that choice, so it's currently unreasonable to sanction 
>> people for using such techniques.
>>
>> (And if we do make that choice, the decision won't be made on this 
>> list.)
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>

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