Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Paul Wouters <paul.wouters@aiven.io> Tue, 11 October 2022 01:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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On Oct 3, 2022, at 19:14, Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> wrote:
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>   Well draft-knodel-terminology has repeatedly referred to me as
> someone who promoted racism in the Internet community and that
> is borderline libelous so I think Paul's complaint is small beer.

paul.wouters@thinkpad:~$ for i in `seq -w 0 10`; do curl --silent https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-knodel-terminology-${i}.txt |egrep -i harkins; done
paul.wouters@thinkpad:~$


Can you explain how that draft referred to you in a way that is “borderline libellous”, as no version ever seemed to have contained your name?

Paul