Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 02 October 2022 15:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On 10/2/22 11:04, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

> Dan has created a situation where we have to choose between his 
> contributions and the contributions of the people he would drive away 
> through his behavior.

Or maybe it's not Dan who has created this situation, but rather, those 
who insist on suppressing his input.

We used to understand that the fact that we allowed people of widely 
varying points of view to express themselves, was not an endorsement of 
such views.