Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Wed, 05 October 2022 03:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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Followed Brian's link, and the number of dead not-redirected links, that result in trying to follow the reasoning behind the action, is considerable.

A case for redirection, and for better archiving to preserve institutional memory?

ad hominem approaches are best avoided, and most of us learn that early.

Lloyd Wood
lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk

> On 5 Oct 2022, at 14:40, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kjetil,
> 
> On 05-Oct-22 10:42, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
> ...
>> This BCP is just one more step towards this splintering.
> 
> This BCP was approved and published in 2004, and has been applied
> very rarely. There were two cases in early 2006, and one in May 2019.
> (https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/posting-rights-actions/)
> 
> I was IETF Chair at the time of the first two, and I can assure you
> it was a very time consuming and worrying responsibility, and the
> number of private insults I received was considerable.
> 
> I think uncivil and/or divisive language has been our problem,
> not the very occasional PR actions in response.
> 
> Regards,
>   Brian Carpenter
> 
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