Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF4D1A0334 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jTPe9bn7OHOW for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D8D31A0217 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34380602E3; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:49:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.com Received: from srv1.stroeder.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.stroeder.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SZAOvg3nQTjm; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.0.2] (unknown [10.1.0.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "michael@stroeder.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Client CA" (verified OK)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D1706027E; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <548E13FF.7070103@stroeder.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:49:35 +0100 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Michael_Str=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Zeilenga References: <548DB67C.5060009@stroeder.com> <548DCA51.7080002@stroeder.com> <778E83EE-875A-486A-8A98-6DF3C309C292@isode.com> <548DE82E.3010103@stroeder.com> <5C9BE5D8-44CA-4CFC-9D63-36C702391B87@isode.com> <548DF0E9.6080405@stroeder.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090106050105090800000502" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ldapext/1FHo1Zmevaeed5agUw5P5TYa_cM Cc: ldapext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ldapext] why posixAccount MUST contain 'cn'? X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:49:51 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090106050105090800000502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurt Zeilenga wrote: >=20 >> On Dec 14, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Michael Str=F6der = wrote: >> >> Kurt Zeilenga wrote: >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Michael Str=F6der wrote: >>>> >>>> Kurt Zeilenga wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Michael Str=F6der wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Zeilenga wrote: >>>>>>>> I'd be in favour of relaxing this to MAY cn in RFC2307bis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See BCP 118 [RFC 4521], Section 5 concerning IETF rules for chang= ing previously published schema definitions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, but RFC2307bis also changes posixGroup schema. >>>>> >>>>> Don=92t expect I-Ds which violate BCPs to become RFCs. >>>> >>>> Are you saying that draft-howard-rfc2307bis will never become an RFC= because >>>> it changes the declaration of 'posixGroup' ('member' instead of 'mem= berUID') >>>> defined in the experimental RFC 2307? >>> >>> I won=92t say =93never=94 as well BCPs themselves are subject today=85= but I can >>> tell you that I, as the IESG=92s appointed LDAP registries expert to = IANA, >>> have and will reject requests to register LDAP parameters which purpo= rt to >>> modify previously published LDAP schema definitions. Of course, such= >>> actions are appealable. >> >> So RFC2307bis must start over with completely new NAMEs >> for e.g. posixGroup? >=20 > Yes, as posixGroup has already been published, if you don=92t want to u= se it > as published, you need to create a replacement for it=85 and that repla= cement > has to have a new OID and a new NAME. Hmm, I respect that decision and thanks for the clear words. But it's clearly a problem with all the existing NSS LDAP client implementations/deployments which already use RFC2307bis posixGroup>membe= r draft schema. So the question is: How to correctly push that forward? Some more nitpicking: The RFC 2307 defined OIDs are not listed here only the base OID: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ldap-parameters/ldap-parameters.xhtml Ciao, Michael. --------------ms090106050105090800000502 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMgTCC BjQwggQcoAMCAQICAR4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwfTELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoT DVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNp Z25pbmcxKTAnBgNVBAMTIFN0YXJ0Q29tIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MB4XDTA3 MTAyNDIxMDE1NVoXDTE3MTAyNDIxMDE1NVowgYwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1T dGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSswKQYDVQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTaWdu aW5nMTgwNgYDVQQDEy9TdGFydENvbSBDbGFzcyAxIFByaW1hcnkgSW50ZXJtZWRpYXRlIENs aWVudCBDQTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMcJg8zOLdgasSmkLhOr 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