Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type
Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com> Wed, 09 August 2017 16:25 UTC
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From: Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:25:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type
To: Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com>
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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com> wrote: > Hi Herbert, > > > On Aug 9, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > * On August 5, Ed Summers posted a question regarding applying > "bookmark" to <link> to the WHATWG list, see > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/ > 2017Aug/0001.html. There are no responses to this post, so far. > > There have been a few responses if you look at the list of emails for > August: > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2017Aug/ > > > * On August 9, Ed Summer posted a similar question to WHATWG/HTML > GitHub, see https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2899. There is a > reaction from @annevk who (1) speculates that the reason "bookmark" is not > to be used with <link> might be in order not to overlap with "canonical" > (2) suggests the use of "canonical" :-) > > Yes, canonical seems to be the relation that most people are reaching for > initially. I did myself on reading your I-D. The fact that seasoned hands > like Kevin Marks and Anne van Kesteren are as well says something. > > > * Michael Nelson has further explored "bookmark" and has confirmed that > there effectively is a reason for not allowing "bookmark" in <link>. It is > related to its target use case: surfacing a link for content contained in a > *part* of a page. Hence, Michael concludes that making "bookmark" usable > with <link> will most likely not happen. @annevk's GitHub response does not > seem to contradict that. Michael based his findings on studying > http://tantek.com/log/2002/11.html#L20021128t1352 and > https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/links.html#link-type-bookmark. He > may write another blog post about this, but, for now, here's how he > explained on Twitter https://twitter.com/i/moments/895081563653902336 > > Yes, it looks like that's probably where things will sit. As Anne > indicated it's likely that rel=bookmark cannot be used with <link> because > of perceived confusion it would cause with canonical. The semantics of > parts of pages vs the page itself don't seem terribly significant to me > from an implementation perspective. Unfortunately 'identifier' will also > probably cause some confusion as well. As systems that rely on 'identifier' > get developed that will be something for them to deal with. > > Thanks for considering all the questions and tracking the conversation > over on the WHATWG list. It speaks to the spirit of what you all are trying > to achieve with this I-D. > > Thanks for thinking along with us, Ed! Cheers herbert > //Ed -- Herbert Van de Sompel Digital Library Research & Prototyping Los Alamos National Laboratory, Research Library http://public.lanl.gov/herbertv/ http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0715-6126 ==
- Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Peter Williams
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Ed Summers
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Michael Nelson
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Ed Summers
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Michael Nelson
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Bjartur Thorlacius
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Michael Nelson
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Ed Summers
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Peter Williams
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Erik Wilde
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Peter Williams
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Peter Williams
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Erik Wilde
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Peter Williams
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Herbert Van de Sompel
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Ed Summers
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Julian Reschke
- Re: Request to register "identifier" relation type Matthew Kerwin