Re: request to register "cite-as" relation type

Michael Nelson <mln@cs.odu.edu> Wed, 11 October 2017 13:09 UTC

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From: Michael Nelson <mln@cs.odu.edu>
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Subject: Re: request to register "cite-as" relation type
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Hi Peter,

Based on the link Ed provides below, various IETF emails, and other 
inputs, I wrote a blog post in late August that addresses the issue of the 
likely original semantics of "bookmark":

http://ws-dl.blogspot.com/2017/08/2017-08-26-relbookmark-also-does-not.html

TL;DR:  the intention & usege scenario of the rel="bookmark" is best 
understood as if it was actually named rel="right-click".

regards,

Michael

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Edward Summers wrote:

>
>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 5:40 AM, Jan Algermissen <algermissen@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 11 Oct 2017, at 2:53, Peter Williams wrote:
>>
>>> 👍 `cite-as` is a valuable addition to the set of common links.
>>
>> Sorry, I am only seeing this discussion now.
>>
>> How is this different from the already registered 'bookmark'?
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/links.html#link-type-bookmark
>
> That does seem like a logical choice right? The core reason is that (weirdly) the HTML specification that defines rel=“bookmark” does not allow it to be used with a <link> element. For some recent discussion on this see:
>
>    https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2899
>
> //Ed
>

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