Re: [lisp] LISP EID Block Size

"Darrel Lewis (darlewis)" <darlewis@cisco.com> Thu, 31 October 2013 19:37 UTC

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From: "Darrel Lewis (darlewis)" <darlewis@cisco.com>
To: Roger Jørgensen <rogerj@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lisp] LISP EID Block Size
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On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Roger Jørgensen <rogerj@gmail.com> wrote:

> And about Sander Steffann's problem:
> "I understand what the technical idea is. There are already EIDs out
> there (including my own network) that are not in any special prefix.
> Therefore "address is in special prefix" != "address is an EID".
> Unless you break LISP for already existing sites I don't see how
> having a special prefix is going to help in (correctly) determining
> whether an address is an EID."
> 
> The _big_ difference between EID's out there today, and the one from
> this new netblock are that any system should _know_ by matching the IP
> that this is EID space, and by that know how to handle it.
> 
> If traffic grow as everyone predict, and continue todo so, optimizing
> the handling of LISP EID's is probably a very good idea.


As long as the system handles sending map-requests for non EID_block prefixes, and interpreting the negative and positive replies, then the overall complexity of the system isn't really changed by the EID_block's existence.  That doesn't mean that it is not a good idea to experiment with this allocation - or that some here-to-now unknown use case will see great benefit by the using the EID_block's assumptions.  I just think we should keep our expectations for the benefits of this block modest.

-Darrel