Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel Routers
Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Sun, 20 September 2009 15:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel Routers
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>>>>> "Noel" == Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> writes: >> From: Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au> AFAIK, you haven't >> specified the commercial relationship between the operator of >> the LISP node and the operator of the PETR which it uses. Noel> Right, but obvious commercial arrangements are outside the Noel> IETF scope. If your point was that you can't see that there Noel> will be any economically workable arrangement, that I think Noel> would be something that should concern us. As to that, I Noel> have no idea... Noel, Dan and I have both commented on why many business model aspects are in scope here in terms of management, operability, and security. I understand there is a claim generally held to be true that business models are out of scope for the IETF. There are certainly aspects of that claim that are very true. However, deployment, management, operations and security are all very much in scope for this working group. As such, a large number of business relationship discussions are in scope, especially initially. It's possibl things may get out of hand, but let us start by being inclusive rather than trying to shut people down in the first couple messages of a thread. Sam Hartman LISP co-chair.
- [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel Rou… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Robin Whittle
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Robin Whittle
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Robin Whittle
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… David Meyer
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… David Meyer
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… David Meyer
- [lisp] Mostly pointless argument about V6 transit… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Sam Hartman
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Jari Arkko
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel Rou… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Michael Menth
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Michael Menth
- Re: [lisp] LISP Interworking: Proxy Egress Tunnel… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)