Re: [lisp] Restarting last call on LISP threats

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Fri, 16 May 2014 23:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [lisp] Restarting last call on LISP threats
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> Unfortunately this is not unlikely :(  I certainly wouldn't consider it an amazing feat... BCP38 is not implemented as much as it should be.

I know there are many cases where BCP38 is not practice but more and more access providers due uRPF. 

You only need one in the path. And the ones that don't do it are using resources to transit packets to possible black holes. 

Dino