Re: [lisp] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-17: (with COMMENT)

Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Fri, 10 July 2020 13:53 UTC

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From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [lisp] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-17: (with COMMENT)
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On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 13:57 -0400, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> Magnus, while it is possible we will still get hold ups on the LISP 
> documents, I would really prefer to avoid creating a normative 
> dependency on something that at best is 6 months away.  Particularly 
> since the TSVWG has not cared enough to maintain the document.

I can understand that. So then think you need to figure out what requirements
from that document that you thought was relevant to say that they MUST be
included in a future specification and include them in the GPE document so that 
the ecn-encap-guidelines would only be inforamtional reference. 

Cheers

Magnus

> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 7/9/2020 1:50 PM, Magnus Westerlund wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > No, RFC 3819 is not a good replacement for the draft. I would note that only
> > a
> > minor part of RFC 3819 is updated by draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-encap-guidelines.
> > 
> > So I contacted the TSVWG chairs to try to get an update on when the document
> > could be ready. The WG has not abandonded it. Actually I found an updated
> > version from March that simply failed to make it into the public archive at
> > that
> > point.
> > 
> > I will also note that the document has gone through one WG last call and
> > appear
> > to be in descent shape. The only issue is that the main author been busy
> > with
> > L4S that is a hot topic in TSVWG.
> > 
> > We have requested an estimate for an update from Bob Briscoe so that we can
> > get
> > this document going forward.
> > 
> > So it might be possible to get this document approved before the end of the
> > year.
> > 
> > As an alternativ there might be possible that you can reformulate the
> > sentence
> > so that the high level requirement that the reader is expected to derive is
> > expressed in your document, and then you can get to a state where the
> > reference
> > would only be informative?
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Magnus
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 16:51 +0000, Fabio Maino (fmaino) wrote:
> > > Hi Magnus, thanks for your comments.
> > > 
> > > Wrt I-D.ietf-tsvwg-ecn-encap-guidelines it turns out that the draft is
> > > expired, so making it normative might not be an option.
> > > 
> > > Since it is meant to replace RFC3819, should we refer to RFC3819 instead?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fabio
> > > 
> > >    
> > > 
> > > On 7/9/20, 5:43 AM, "Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker" <noreply@ietf.org
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >      Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for
> > >      draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-17: No Objection
> > > 
> > >      When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
> > >      email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut
> > > this
> > >      introductory paragraph, however.)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >      Please refer to 
> > > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> > >      for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >      The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
> > >      https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >      ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > -
> > >      COMMENT:
> > >      ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > -
> > > 
> > >      Section 4.2:
> > > 
> > >      To me it looks like this is normative reference:
> > > 
> > >      Such new encapsulated payloads, when registered with LISP-
> > >         GPE, MUST be accompanied by a set of guidelines derived from
> > >         [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-ecn-encap-guidelines] and [RFC6040].
> > > 
> > >      Section 4.3.1:
> > > 
> > >      Thanks for writing relevant guidance on how to mitigate the risks
> > > with
> > > zero
> > >      checksum. Especially the one on traffic separation from other traffic
> > > so
> > > that
> > >      it can be caught on the boundaries of the network to prevent the risk
> > > to
> > > other
> > >      networks from corrupted traffic.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> 
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Cheers

Magnus Westerlund 


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