Re: [lisp] [Ila] LISP for ILA

Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> Fri, 16 March 2018 17:58 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 10:58:42 -0700
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To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lisp] [Ila] LISP for ILA
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Attackers don't typically set the evil bit in packets and will
>> otherwise try to make their packets indistiguishable from legitimate
>> traffic. Can you provide a reference to a specific solution with an
>> algorithm that is able separate the bad packets from the good packets
>> wrt the cache.
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> All you can really do to solve this problem is (from the perspective of a LISP Map-Resolver):
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> (1) You sent a request for an EID too often, I’m dropping future requets from you.
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> (2) You sent a request for any EID too often, I’m dropping future requests from you.
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> (3) I am getting too many requests for an EID from many sources, start dropping them.
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> (4) I am getting too many requests on this specific map-resolver address, I’m going to deconfigure it. If its an anycast-address, the requests will start going to the next closest map-resolver.
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> (5) I am getting too many requests on this specific map-resolver address, I’m going to deconfigure it. If it is not an anycast-address, packets are dropped by my penultimate hop. Good actors know other map-resolvers to send to, to get their requests resolved.
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> (6) Do (4) and (5) by withdrawing the route from BGP. So the high-rate of requests get dropped closer to the bad actors.
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> In (4)-(6), I have referred to this as “solving DoS attacks with frequency-hopping techniques”. And I was thinking of doing it *with no signalling*. So good actors have to be robust to send to other map-resolvers, either serially or in parallel.
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> Comments?
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Dino,

I'm pretty confused by who "I" is, who "you" is, as well as what
constitutes "too often" or "too many requests". Is there a normative
descirption of this algorithm we can look at?

Thanks,
Tom

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