[lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te
Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Tue, 07 May 2024 14:36 UTC
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Subject: [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te
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> The text still assumes that an ELP must be returned. That is correct. > > Just replace the words: > > “which returns a ELP-based locator record for a path to RTR 'y', and encapsulates packets…" The example is illustrating nesting so I believe it is not needed. >>>> Luigi, the terms are used in self contained sections. They are fine. S-EID is ONLY used in the multicast section because the is the convention we use to look up a multicast mapping (S-EID, G-EID). > > I think a unique term makes more sense, but this is not a blocking point. It is a unique term. The term S-EID is used in all the multicast drafts to describe an (S,G). > This is exactly the point. I do not see an alternate path. I see only an alternate tunnel. > The current text is still confusing. You want "to route around the path from B to C” and to do it you route "through link B—>C”. This looks like a contradiction to me. B and C have other links. Don’t you see the link between B and X. That is “another” path. > The sentence remains superfluous. Of course you can do it with ODL, but this is out of the scope of the IETF and I do not see why it should be there. > The other LISP documents never mention a provision system, so why this one has to mention it? Is there a compelling reason? Because in other cases ETRs register their own RLOCs because they know them. With an ELP, a provisioning system knows the topology and can register all the addresses in the ELP. It has a broader view. There are deployments that take an ISIS topology, compute paths offline as an SDN controller, and can build an ELP path based on policy rules (where re-encapsulation points can be placed in the network). Dino
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- Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Padma Pillay-Esnault
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Luigi Iannone
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Joel Halpern
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Padma Pillay-Esnault
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Padma Pillay-Esnault
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Padma Pillay-Esnault
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Padma Pillay-Esnault
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
- [lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te Dino Farinacci
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