Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lisp-vendor-lcaf)
Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Thu, 14 April 2022 20:00 UTC
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From: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lisp-vendor-lcaf)
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> Hi! > > Hmm — let’s start with the positive. The new text looks good to me. > > OTOH, even if rfc6833bis is the base specification, rfc8060 is an optional extension…. The problem is one of references and document status: > > rfc8060 is an Experimental document — the current reference in rfc6833bis is Informative, which is ok because there’s just a general reference to the AFI — “LCAF-Type MUST” makes the relationship to rfc8060 Normative and changes the behavior of rfc8060 implementations, so we should change the reference type and formally update rfc8060, which results in a downref, which requires community approval (new IETF LC), which requires the IESG to consider the downref registry, . . . > > I don’t think any of us wants to reopen rfc6833bis at this point. <sigh> Okay. > Ideally, rfc8060 would have included that one extra sentence: “an unrecognized LCAF-Type MUST be dropped”. > > We have two other options: > > (1) Let it be. rfc8060 is Experimental, people “experimenting” with it can figure it out, and when/if the document goes on the Standards Track we can add the text. I know there are production deployments, but these are mostly controlled (people shouldn’t see unknown types). Right and true. > (2) Use lisp-vendor-lcaf, which adds a new Type, to formally update rfc8060 on what needs to be done if an unknown Type is received. Both documents are Experimental and lisp-vendor-lcaf is in line to be approved next week by the IESG, so there are no cumbersome process issues. So add the sentence to lisp-vendor-lcaf since we still have time. This is fine with me. > So…what does the WG want to do? reopen rfc6833bis, nothing, or use lisp-vendor-lcaf I vote for lisp-vendor-lcaf. > [FWIW, my personal preference (as WG participant) is to use lisp-vendor-lcaf.] Well that's two people in sync. ;-) Dino
- [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lisp-ve… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Prakash Jain (prakjain)
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Prakash Jain (prakjain)
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal)
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Unknown LCAF Types (?) (draft-ietf-lis… Luigi Iannone