Re: [lisp] Comparing LISP multicast with draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01.txt

Sharon Barkai <Sharon@Contextream.com> Tue, 09 December 2014 02:28 UTC

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From: Sharon Barkai <Sharon@Contextream.com>
To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: [lisp] Comparing LISP multicast with draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01.txt
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Subject: Re: [lisp] Comparing LISP multicast with draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01.txt
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I think it's important to point out that all these features which require in-network anchoring e.g. multicast replication, mobility/motion, chaining, NAT traversal, anycast ... in lisp, use ONE consistent methodology - a "floating" anchor in the mapping database can be unambiguously resolved & realized dynamically at the network edge Ingres just in time.
Would really be good if this systemic anchoring approach is carried over to nvo3, 
rather then each such feature will be built based on a whole new methodology-terminology.

--szb

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 16:14, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> RFC 6831 (LISP for Multicast) states: 
>> "The fundamental multicast forwarding model is to encapsulate a multicast packet into another multicast packet"
> 
> Right, the fundamental model so we have the most efficient form of multicast delivery.
> 
>> So LISP assumes that the underlay network supports some sort of IP multicast scheme.
> 
> No, LISP does not, just this RFC does. If you look at the other LISP multicast related RFCs, you will see that you can encapsulate multicast packets inside of unicast packets.
> 
> And you can use PIM signaling specified in RFC 6831 to instruct an ETR to encapsulate in unicast.
> 
>> In NVO3 environment, especially in data center environment, the underlay network may not necessarily support IP multicast. draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01 describes various mechanisms for forwarding tenant multicast traffic without the underlay network supporting the multicast protocols.
> 
> Right, see draft-farinacci-lisp-signal-free-multicast-01. It can simplify the control-plane as well as encapsulate in either unicast or multicast.
> 
> Dino
> 
>> 
>> We appreciate your feedback. 
>> 
>> Linda 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] 
>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:17 PM
>> To: Vinay Bannai; Linda Dunbar; Vinay Bannai; Ram (Ramki) Krishnan; Linda Dunbar; Anoop Ghanwani; Ram Krishnan; Anoop Ghanwani
>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01.txt
>> 
>> 
>> A new version of I-D, draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Linda Dunbar and posted to the IETF repository.
>> 
>> Name:        draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework
>> Revision:    01
>> Title:        Framework of Supporting Applications Specific Multicast in NVO3
>> Document date:    2014-12-08
>> Group:        Individual Submission
>> Pages:        16
>> URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01.txt
>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework/
>> Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01
>> Diff:           http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ghanwani-nvo3-app-mcast-framework-01
>> 
>> Abstract:
>>  This draft discusses the framework of supporting applications
>>  specific multicast traffic, i.e. the non ARP/ND related
>>  multicast/broadcast traffic, in a network that uses Network
>>  Virtualization using Overlays over Layer 3 (NVO3). It describes the
>>  various mechanisms and considerations that can be used for
>>  delivering those application specific multicast traffic in networks
>>  that use NVO3.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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