Re: [Lsr] draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo

"Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com> Fri, 12 March 2021 08:03 UTC

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From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
To: Peter Psenak <ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo
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Hi Peter,

Thanks for your comments. Please see some replies inline:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Psenak
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:46 PM
> To: lsr@ietf.org
> Subject: [Lsr] draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo
> 
> Dear authors,
> 
> here are couple of comments to draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo:
> 
> 1. whether we want to flood VTN specific link data in IGPs or not is something
> that deserves its own discussion.

IGP as one option can be used to distribute the VTN specific link information among network nodes, and some of these nodes could further distribute this information to a network controller using BGP-LS. This is similar to the distribution and collection of the TE link attributes of the underlay network. 

> 2. Nevertheless, the proposed encoding does not seem to be a fortunate one:
> 
> a) it hijacks the L2 bundle member TLV for VTN data. I don't see the need for
> that.

It is considered as one option to advertise the VTN specific link information when Flex-Algo ID is re-used to identify a VTN, as there is no existing mechanism to advertise per-Flex-Algo link attributes (this is a difference between MT and Flex-Algo). And based on the L2 bundle mechanism, only minor extension is needed. 

> b) the proposed mechanism to associate the VTN specific link data with the VTN
> itself by the use of the link affinities is a very user unfriendly way of doing it. If
> the VTN need only the low latency optimization, provisioning additional
> affinities seems like a unnecessary provisioning price that would need to be paid
> by the user for the encoding deficiency. You want to flood the VTN specific link
> data, put the VTN ID in it.

A VTN is associated with not only the metric types defined in the Flex-Algo, it is also associated with a subset of network resources. Thus different VTNs with low latency optimization may need to correlate with different set of resources for packet forwarding, hence different Admin Groups are needed to distinguish the different set of link attributes of a L3 link. Using Admin Group (link affinity) to correlate the link attributes with a Flex-Algo is the mechanism introduced in the Flex-Algo base document, this document tries to reuse the existing mechanisms when possible.

Introducing a VTN-ID is another option, which would require a little more extensions. That mechanism is described in draft-dong-lsr-sr-for-enhanced-vpn, which is targeted to provide a more scalable solution with the additional protocol extensions. 

Hope this provides some background about this design. 

Best regards,
Jie

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> thanks,
> Peter
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