Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-21: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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Hi Ben, 

On 9/26/18, 6:02 PM, "Benjamin Kaduk" <> wrote:

    Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for
    draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-21: Discuss
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    This is essentially a process discuss, and hopefully easy to resolve.
    In Section 4, we say:
       The meaning of the absence of both Node and Link MSD advertisements
       for a given MSD type is specific to the MSD type.  Generally it can
       only be inferred that the advertising node does not support
       advertisement of that MSD type.  However, in some cases the lack of
       advertisement might imply that the functionality associated with the
       MSD type is not supported.  The correct interpretation MUST be
       specified when an MSD type is defined.
    I don't think we can make this sort of normative requirement on a registry
    created by a different document, at least not without updating the registry
    to also point to this document.

Would you be satisfied if the same text were in both the IS-IS and OSPF document? We really want a copy registry for IGPs (which are really only disseminating the information) to Segment Routing capable routers in the routing domain. 

    Can SID be expanded on first usage -- does not list it
    as "well known".  (It also doesn't appear to list "Segment Identifier" as
    one of the expansions.)
    This is basically the same thing I said for the IS-IS document that creates
    the MSD types registry, but I'm not sure I followed correctly the meaning
    of MSD type 1 for SR-enabled vs.  non-SR-enabled networks.  In particular,
    I still don't really understand why it's okay to use the same codepoint for
    the max SID depth in SR-enabled networks and for the max label depth in
    non-SR MPLS networks.  Why couldn't they just be separate MSD Type
    Section-by-section comments follow.
    Section 2
                      If the Node MSD TLV appears in multiple Router
       Information LSAs that have the same flooding scope, the Node MSD TLV
       in the Router Information (RI) LSA with the numerically smallest
       Instance ID MUST be used and subsequent instances of the Node MSD TLV
       MUST be ignored. [...]
    Unless there is a sorting requirement I've forgotten about, shouldn't this
    be "other" rather than "subsequent"?
    Section 6
    Thanks for the updates in response to the secdir review; they help a lot.
       If the value is larger than supported - instantiation of a path that
       can't be supported by the head-end (the node performing the SID
    This is supposed to mean "(instantiation by the head-end) of a (path that
    can't be supported)", not "instantiation of a path (that can't be supported
    by the head-end)", right?