Re: [Lsr] RFC8401 - Question on BIER TLV leaking from one level to the other

["Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Les,
Thanks for the clarification.
Would expect the Errata from Senthil as well.

Jingrong

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:[e-mail]]
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Subject: RE: RFC8401 - Question on BIER TLV leaking from one level to the other

Jingrong –

I had to look at this twice because of the long interval since the last email on this thread.
Inline.

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Subject: RE: RFC8401 - Question on BIER TLV leaking from one level to the other

Hi Les,
Thank you very much for the clarification.
I am curious if the text about N flag also need to change when BIER TLV is leaking from one level to another.
RFC7794 says in section 2.1 about N-flag: “Set when the prefix identifies the advertising router”.

[Les:] RFC7794 also says:

“The flag  MUST be preserved when leaked between levels.”

The identity of the originating router can be obtained from the source Router ID sub-TLV defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.2

In the case when a BIER TLV (prefix=Prefix-ABR) is leaking by an ABR router from Level-1 to Level-2, the advertising router is ABR and the prefix is Prefix-ABR(a prefix bound to a Level-1 interface of ABR), so the N-flag need to be set.
In the case when a BIER TLV (prefix=Prefix-A) is leaking by an ABR router from Level-1  to Level-2, the advertising router is ABR but the prefix is Prefix-A(a prefix bound to a interface of router-A), so the N-flag need to be cleared.
Is the understanding correct ?
Would anyone please raise an Errata about this defect in the RFC ? I can also do that if needed.

[Les:] To be sure we are on the same page, the only Errata is the one mentioned below regarding the R flag. There is no issue regarding the N flag.
I believe Senthil indicated he would create an Errata for that but it appears that this never happened.

   Les

Best regards,
Jingrong

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Subject: Re: [Bier] RFC8401 - Question on BIER TLV leaking from one level to the other

Senthil –

There is no such thing as a “BIER-ISIS extension TLV”.
There is only the “BIER Info” sub-TLV(sic) which is carried in a Prefix Reachability TLV (one of TLVs 135, 235, 236, and 237).
Therefore the Prefix-Attribute sub-TLV can and should be present in such a TLV as well.

See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8401#section-4.2

The only minor issue here is that the RFC says:

o  When the Prefix Attributes Flags sub-TLV [RFC7794] is present, the
      N flag MUST be set and the R flag MUST NOT be set.

In cases where the prefix is leaked the R flag will be set. The text is a holdover from early versions where we had prohibited leaking.
In cases where the prefix is leaked the R flag will be set.

I suppose this deserves an Errata.
I thought this issue had been discussed and addressed – but I couldn’t find any relevant email and clearly the published text has a flaw.
Sigh…

    Les


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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:03 PM
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Subject: RFC8401 - Question on BIER TLV leaking from one level to the other

Hi Authors,

When ABR leaks the Prefix (& BIER TLVs) from one level to another, the LSP contains both the ABR's local prefix and the other prefix'es which are re-advertised from one level to the other.
Nodes receiving such an LSP should be able to identify the Prefix (& BIER TLV) that is originally local to the ABR from the other inter (re-advertised) prefix'es.

Unlike SR-ISIS extensions TLV, BIER-ISIS extension TLVs do not have N/R flags.

Hence the only way to identify the prefix type (local or re-advertised) is by having the ABR advertise the "IPv4/IPv6 Extended Reachability Attribute Flags sub-TLV - RFC7794" whenever it leaks the BIER TLVs from one level to another. Is my understanding correct?

Ref from - RFC 7794 - 2.1<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1>. IPv4/IPv6 Extended Reachability Attribute Flags


       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7...

      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+...

      |X|R|N|          ...

      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+...


   R-Flag:  Re-advertisement Flag (Bit 1)

      Set when the prefix has been leaked from one level to another

      (upwards or downwards).

Thanks,
Senthil