Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-white-distoptflood-00.txt

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From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
To: "7riw77@gmail.com" <7riw77@gmail.com>, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-white-distoptflood-00.txt
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Hi Russ, 

I won't have time to read your new version this week but you should align your distributed algorithm with  the WG flooding infra-structure draft. Anything that doesn't fit should remain in the OpenFrabric experimental draft. 

Thanks,
Acee

On 4/1/19, 5:45 AM, "Lsr on behalf of 7riw77@gmail.com" <lsr-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of 7riw77@gmail.com> wrote:

    
    > 1)Section 3 defines an algorithm which is used to "calculate" the flooding
    > topology. As such, this draft is not an alternative to draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-
    > flooding.  It is simply one of potentially many drafts which may be written
    > which will define such an algorithm, Note that definition of algorithms is
    > outside the scope of draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding.
    
    Correct. This was my initial impression when I read draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding.
    
    > I think this should be made clear in your draft.
    
    Sure -- I can add this bit.
    
    > 2)The use of Circuit Scoped LSPs (RFC 7356) to flood standard L1/L2 LSPs to
    > "DNR" nodes as defined in Section 3.1 of the draft is an invalid usage of CS-
    > LSPs. The content of CS-LSPs is NOT identical to standard LSPs and the 1:1
    > equivalence you seem to require is inconsistent with RFC 7356.
    
    Hm... I will need to look at this -- it might be worth chatting about this off line to see how to bring this in line. 
    
    > 3)The adjacency formation logic discussed in Section 2 isn’t directly relevant
    > to calculating a flooding topology. There are existing implementations which
    > use the techniques you define as a means of reducing redundant flooding
    > associated with adjacency bringup when there are parallel links between two
    > nodes. Note this can be (and is) done without  requiring protocol
    > extensions/specification i.e., a node can do this today without introducing
    > any interoperability issues. So while this is definitely a good idea, it isn’t
    > directly related to the work on flooding topologies and I think is better
    > removed from the draft.
    
    Okay -- it seems like this technique is not documented anyplace, and could be used for all adjacencies.
    
    😊 /r
    
    
    
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