Re: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com> Thu, 20 December 2018 04:36 UTC

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From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
To: Suresh Krishnan <suresh@kaloom.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)
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Suresh -

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> From: Suresh Krishnan <suresh@kaloom.com>
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> Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org
> Subject: Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04:
> (with COMMENT)
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> Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection
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> COMMENT:
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> * Backward compatibility
> 
> There is text in Appendix A that provides guidance to implementers on how
> to
> handle TLVs with length 5 from RFC7810. I think this would be much more
> helpful
> inside the main body of the document. I was wondering how the backward
> compatibility was handled until I read through the Appendix that lists the
> *diffs*.
> 

[Les:] I REALLY do not want to do this.

There is no intent to legitimize two different encodings. Implementations which encoded the problematic sub-TLVs with a length of 5 and a reserved byte were wrong - though obviously based on the flawed text in RFC 7810 it wasn't easy for a reader to realize that.

The obligation is on the implementations which used the 5 byte encoding to correct themselves and use the 4 byte encoding.
There is no obligation on conformant implementations to be "generous" and allow for interoperating with implementations which used the 5 byte encodings.
There might be business value in doing so - but that is outside the purview of specification. We use the appendix only to suggest that "generosity" be considered.

The main body of the document should not be cluttered with this. It needs to serve as the normative specification independent of the prior existence of RFC 7810.

   Les