Re: [ltans] Concrete examples of long-term archiving

Istvan Zsolt BERTA <> Wed, 10 August 2011 08:38 UTC

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Dear Martín,

In Hungary, the authentic long-term archival of electronically signed 
documents is included in the e-signature law. Aside qualified CAs, we 
also have qualified archiving service providers.

The Hungarian Chamber of Notaries is running an archival project since 
2007. Certain classes of notarial deeds are archived electronically. The 
notary creates the notarial deed on paper, scans it (as PDF), signs it 
with her qualified electronic signature and sends it to the archives 
(our company is a qualified archiving service provider, we run these 
archives). A few million notarial deeds are archived this way currently.

Notaries create their signatures in XAdES-A format, and in the archives 
these signatures are archived in an LTANS ERS -like format. We do not 
use ERS because when our system was started, ERS RFCs were not available 
yet, but our logic is very similar to ERS.

Electronically signed documents are also used (and archived) in context 
of the Hungarian registry of businesses. If you want to found a company 
in Hungary, you need to turn to a lawyer, and your lawyer submits the 
necessary electronically signed documents to the business registry 
court. The judge at the registry court also creates an electronically 
signed resolution.
Lawyers are required to archive these electronically signed documents, 
e.g. using a qualified archiving provider. This system also involves 
millions of documents, but only a small fraction of them is archived 
currently. (There are already certain resolutions that were not archived 
properly and their timestamps expired. They are problematic.)

Unfortunately I have very little written information on this in English 
(our English website is rather just a placeholder): (of year 2007) (of year 2011)

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask, and I shall do my 
best to answer.



2011.08.04. 18:21 keltezéssel, Martin Augusto G. Vigil írta:
> Hi,
> I am a PhD student and I have been working on a survey on long-term
> authenticity and proof of existence. I have found many solutions
> (e.g. ERS, Patricia Trees, etc), projects (e.g. ArchiSig, Prokopius,
> HP's Content Integrity Service) and even acts (Sarbanes-Oxley Act,
> Directive 2001/115/EC) but few real life examples in which long-term
> archiving is required and was already used.
> May someone point some concrete examples?
> Kind regards, ---- Martín A. Gagliotti Vigil Technische Universität
> Darmstadt Cryptography and Computer Algebra Hochschulstraße 10 64289
> Darmstadt, Germany Room: S2/02 B216 Tel.: +49 6151 16-5416
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