Re: [ltans] Concrete examples of long-term archiving

Istvan Zsolt BERTA <istvan.berta@microsec.hu> Fri, 12 August 2011 15:24 UTC

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Dear Todd,

2011.08.10. 15:13 keltezéssel, todd glassey írta:
>> In Hungary, the authentic long-term archival of electronically signed
>> documents is included in the e-signature law. Aside qualified CAs, we
>> also have qualified archiving service providers.
>>
> Is there a Design Specification available?

What do you mean on Design Specification? We have the archiving service 
listed in our e-signature law, and this law prescribes the requirements 
a qualified archiving service provider must fulfill.

There is an English version here:
http://www.docshare.com/doc/199777/hungary

Our authorities also released some 'guidance' on the technical 
requirements and policy requirements, but I think they are going to be 
superseded by the recently released ETSI specifications:

ETSI TS 101 533-1 Information Preservation Systems Security; Part 1: 
Requirements for Implementation and Management
http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=31009

ETSI TR 101 533-2 Information Preservation Systems Security; Part 2: 
Guidelines for Assessors
http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=34232


None of these requirements go into details like prescribing certain 
formats, etc.

Regards,

István



>>
>>
>> The Hungarian Chamber of Notaries is running an archival project since
>> 2007. Certain classes of notarial deeds are archived electronically.
>> The notary creates the notarial deed on paper, scans it (as PDF),
>> signs it with her qualified electronic signature and sends it to the
>> archives (our company is a qualified archiving service provider, we
>> run these archives). A few million notarial deeds are archived this
>> way currently.
>>
>> Notaries create their signatures in XAdES-A format, and in the
>> archives these signatures are archived in an LTANS ERS -like format.
>> We do not use ERS because when our system was started, ERS RFCs were
>> not available yet, but our logic is very similar to ERS.
>>
>>
>> Electronically signed documents are also used (and archived) in
>> context of the Hungarian registry of businesses. If you want to found
>> a company in Hungary, you need to turn to a lawyer, and your lawyer
>> submits the necessary electronically signed documents to the business
>> registry court. The judge at the registry court also creates an
>> electronically signed resolution.
>> Lawyers are required to archive these electronically signed documents,
>> e.g. using a qualified archiving provider. This system also involves
>> millions of documents, but only a small fraction of them is archived
>> currently. (There are already certain resolutions that were not
>> archived properly and their timestamps expired. They are problematic.)
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately I have very little written information on this in
>> English (our English website is rather just a placeholder):
>>
>> http://www.berta.hu/publications/Berta2007efpe.pdf (of year 2007)
>> http://www.berta.hu/publications/Berta2011efpe.pdf (of year 2011)
>> http://srv.e-szigno.hu/menu/index.php?lap=english_archiving
>> http://srv.e-szigno.hu/menu/index.php?lap=english_firm_registry
>>
>> If you have any further questions, feel free to ask, and I shall do my
>> best to answer.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> István
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011.08.04. 18:21 keltezéssel, Martin Augusto G. Vigil írta:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a PhD student and I have been working on a survey on long-term
>>> authenticity and proof of existence. I have found many solutions
>>> (e.g. ERS, Patricia Trees, etc), projects (e.g. ArchiSig, Prokopius,
>>> HP's Content Integrity Service) and even acts (Sarbanes-Oxley Act,
>>> Directive 2001/115/EC) but few real life examples in which long-term
>>> archiving is required and was already used.
>>>
>>> May someone point some concrete examples?
>>>
>>> Kind regards, ---- Martín A. Gagliotti Vigil Technische Universität
>>> Darmstadt Cryptography and Computer Algebra Hochschulstraße 10 64289
>>> Darmstadt, Germany Room: S2/02 B216 Tel.: +49 6151 16-5416
>>>
>>>
>>>
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