Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry
todd glassey <tglassey@earthlink.net> Mon, 18 July 2011 17:31 UTC
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On 7/18/2011 5:07 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:05 AM, Peter Sylvester > <peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr <mailto:peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr>> wrote: > > The purpose of hash linking schemes is to link time stamps > together and > to be able to verify them without the need of any cryptographic key > which have the tendency to have their secrecy evaporate. > > > Its not the secrecy that worries me, its the ability to state with > confidence that the TSA will be around after the commercial incentive > is gone. > > Its pretty easy to build a business case to support a registry of > digital signatures on mortgage notes to last 30-50 odd years. There is > a lot of money at stake and there will always be someone collecting on > the note. > > The problem is that we only have this type of business models for a > small number of signatures and they are pretty boring applications. > That still leaves open the question of how we make digital libraries > as authentic and trustworthy as paper ones used to be. > > Print is dead. In 100 years time nobody will be printing books other > than for religious or sentimental reasons. People can argue about > whether that should happen but it is very clear that it will happen. > > A couple of years ago GM went bankrupt. A couple of weeks ago the > worlds largest circulation tabloid went out of business despite robust > profits. How can we say with confidence that a TSA is going to be > around in 100 years time? By making it a government service so it is not tied to the marketspace... Why do you think Certichron does what it does - by the way - we just opened the 10th NIST Server we operate! Todd > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > ltans mailing list > ltans@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltans -- Todd S. Glassey This is from my personal email account and any materials from this account come with personal disclaimers. Further I OPT OUT of any and all commercial emailings.
- [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Peter Sylvester
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Peter Sylvester
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry todd glassey
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Peter Sylvester
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry todd glassey
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry todd glassey