Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry
todd glassey <tglassey@earthlink.net> Mon, 18 July 2011 18:13 UTC
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On 7/18/2011 10:37 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > How do we know governments will last that long? > > PHB - this isn't about building perfection - its about building a specific set of end-use solutions - something the IETF is uniquely incompetent at IMHO. Before ANYTHING happens - the use models and how their to be controlled has to be formally inked. Building them after the fact is more than stupid and ignorant - its the IETF Way. Todd G. > > Very few institutions have existed more than a few hundred years > without major changes in function and structure. Oxford was founded as > a religious community and only made training for the priesthood the > primary purpose in the middle ages. The idea of being a general > purpose educator comes from the Victorian era. > > > What I like about the Harber & Stornetta approach is that it allows > multiple archives to be bound together in ways that makes their > integrity interdependent. > > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:32 PM, todd glassey <tglassey@earthlink.net > <mailto:tglassey@earthlink.net>> wrote: > > On 7/18/2011 5:07 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:05 AM, Peter Sylvester >> <peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr <mailto:peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr>> >> wrote: >> >> The purpose of hash linking schemes is to link time stamps >> together and >> to be able to verify them without the need of any >> cryptographic key >> which have the tendency to have their secrecy evaporate. >> >> >> Its not the secrecy that worries me, its the ability to state >> with confidence that the TSA will be around after the commercial >> incentive is gone. >> >> Its pretty easy to build a business case to support a registry of >> digital signatures on mortgage notes to last 30-50 odd years. >> There is a lot of money at stake and there will always be someone >> collecting on the note. >> >> The problem is that we only have this type of business models for >> a small number of signatures and they are pretty boring >> applications. That still leaves open the question of how we make >> digital libraries as authentic and trustworthy as paper ones used >> to be. >> >> Print is dead. In 100 years time nobody will be printing books >> other than for religious or sentimental reasons. People can argue >> about whether that should happen but it is very clear that it >> will happen. >> >> A couple of years ago GM went bankrupt. A couple of weeks ago the >> worlds largest circulation tabloid went out of business despite >> robust profits. How can we say with confidence that a TSA is >> going to be around in 100 years time? > > By making it a government service so it is not tied to the > marketspace... > > Why do you think Certichron does what it does - by the way - we > just opened the 10th NIST Server we operate! > > Todd > > >> >> -- >> Website: http://hallambaker.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ltans mailing list >> ltans@ietf.org <mailto:ltans@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltans > > > -- > Todd S. Glassey > This is from my personal email account and any materials from this account come with personal disclaimers. > > Further I OPT OUT of any and all commercial emailings. > > > _______________________________________________ > ltans mailing list > ltans@ietf.org <mailto:ltans@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltans > > > > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/ > -- Todd S. Glassey This is from my personal email account and any materials from this account come with personal disclaimers. Further I OPT OUT of any and all commercial emailings.
- [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Peter Sylvester
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Peter Sylvester
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry todd glassey
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Peter Sylvester
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry todd glassey
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry todd glassey