Re: [ltans] Harber and Stornetta expiry

On 7/18/2011 10:37 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> How do we know governments will last that long?
>
>
PHB - this isn't about building perfection - its about building a 
specific set of end-use solutions - something the IETF is uniquely 
incompetent at IMHO.

Before ANYTHING happens - the use models and how their to be controlled 
has to be formally inked.  Building them after the fact is more than 
stupid and ignorant - its the IETF Way.

Todd G.
>
> Very few institutions have existed more than a few hundred years 
> without major changes in function and structure. Oxford was founded as 
> a religious community and only made training for the priesthood the 
> primary purpose in the middle ages. The idea of being a general 
> purpose educator comes from the Victorian era.
>
>
> What I like about the Harber & Stornetta approach is that it allows 
> multiple archives to be bound together in ways that makes their 
> integrity interdependent.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:32 PM, todd glassey <tglassey@earthlink.net 
> <mailto:tglassey@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 7/18/2011 5:07 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:05 AM, Peter Sylvester
>>     <peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr <mailto:peter.sylvester@edelweb.fr>>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         The purpose of hash linking schemes is to link time stamps
>>         together and
>>         to be able to verify them without the need of any
>>         cryptographic key
>>         which have the tendency to have their secrecy evaporate.
>>
>>
>>     Its not the secrecy that worries me, its the ability to state
>>     with confidence that the TSA will be around after the commercial
>>     incentive is gone.
>>
>>     Its pretty easy to build a business case to support a registry of
>>     digital signatures on mortgage notes to last 30-50 odd years.
>>     There is a lot of money at stake and there will always be someone
>>     collecting on the note.
>>
>>     The problem is that we only have this type of business models for
>>     a small number of signatures and they are pretty boring
>>     applications. That still leaves open the question of how we make
>>     digital libraries as authentic and trustworthy as paper ones used
>>     to be.
>>
>>     Print is dead. In 100 years time nobody will be printing books
>>     other than for religious or sentimental reasons. People can argue
>>     about whether that should happen but it is very clear that it
>>     will happen.
>>
>>     A couple of years ago GM went bankrupt. A couple of weeks ago the
>>     worlds largest circulation tabloid went out of business despite
>>     robust profits. How can we say with confidence that a TSA is
>>     going to be around in 100 years time?
>
>     By making it a government service so it is not tied to the
>     marketspace...
>
>     Why do you think Certichron does what it does - by the way - we
>     just opened the 10th NIST Server we operate!
>
>     Todd
>
>
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