Re: [ltans] WG Action: Conclusion of Long-Term Archive and Notary Services (ltans)

On 7/20/2011 9:48 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> Exactly, a WG should do something right or not at all. In this case 
> they choose not at all. That is fine with me.
The problem is they didnt remove the SCOPE STATEMENT from the WG Name 
and so now whenever a search is done for those documents they are tied 
to the term NOTARIAL even though they have nothing to do with it...

Todd
>
> Todd seems to be giving some pretty good reasons to not do notary.
>
>
> What I am interested in is probably a little speculative. I would like 
> to have a form of data repository that we could establish some pretty 
> good expectations of it surviving for a very long time and for the 
> integrity of the data within it to be witnessed by a sufficiently 
> large set of witnesses that forgery is implausible.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Carl Wallace 
> <carl@redhoundsoftware.com <mailto:carl@redhoundsoftware.com>> wrote:
>
>     The good news is that none of the 5 completed specs address
>     notary-related
>     concepts.  Each spec addresses fairly narrow concepts consistent
>     with the
>     backgrounds of the volunteers contributing the work.  While it may be
>     unfortunate that the term notary appears in the working group
>     name, the
>     notary concept was from the inception of the working group
>     considered to
>     be a topic area that would not necessarily result in new standards.
>
>     On 7/20/11 12:10 PM, "todd glassey" <tglassey@earthlink.net
>     <mailto:tglassey@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>     >On 7/20/2011 8:12 AM, Carl Wallace wrote:
>     >> On 7/20/11 10:49 AM, "todd glassey"<tglassey@earthlink.net
>     <mailto:tglassey@earthlink.net>>  wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> On 7/19/2011 6:28 PM, IESG Secretary wrote:
>     >>>> The Long-Term Archive and Notary Services (ltans) working
>     group in the
>     >>>> Security Area has concluded. The IESG contact persons are
>     Sean Turner
>     >>>> and Stephen Farrell.
>     >>> So there is actually no Notary's process in any of this code.
>     >> Correct.  In accord with the charter, a requirements gathering
>     effort
>     >>for
>     >> potential notary-related work was conducted.
>     > From who - the engineers working on the protocol??? - do any of them
>     >have legal backgrounds which would be competent to advise here?
>     Will any
>     >of their sponsors take legal culpability for those parties
>     actions?  You
>     >see my point?
>     >
>     >Its time for accountability here in the IETF to be real.
>     >> The results were reviewed by
>     >> the working group and work on notary-related standards was
>     suspended at
>     >> IETF 65 due to lack of interest in pursuing the topic.
>     >
>     >Which means that the terms and any reference to the concept of "Legal
>     >Document Control" per the apostles practices have to be cleansed from
>     >these works.  i.e. someone with a redline needs to cut out all
>     >references to Notary anything. That said, it means simply that
>     this WG
>     >isnt done and that until those issues are completed, that NONE of the
>     >works can be finalized... or that they can and must all be pulled -
>     >since the IETF itself becomes a party to the fraud of misrepresenting
>     >its IP's as 'replacing legal roles' in the Human population.
>     >
>     >The IETF has never made a legal statement about any of its protocols
>     >before LTANS, but I think that by using the Legal Term "NOTARY"
>     in both
>     >the WG's title and its operating practices, it opens the IETF to this
>     >review.
>     >
>     >t.
>     >
>     >
>     >
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