Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags
John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> Fri, 05 October 2007 13:09 UTC
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To: Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags
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Randy Presuhn scripsit: > (1) [registry and extlang tag] > (2) [registry only] > (3) [neither] AFAIK no one is advocating for case 3; the split is between cases 1 and 2. > At this moment, the discussion seems to favor (1), but it's clear that > we need to work through what we'd want do to the matching specification > before we could declare consensus on this. If we find that an update > to the matching specification is necessary, we'll need to ask our AD > to get the IESG to add it to our charter. Based on Mark's and Addison's evidence (as discussed in the telcons), I propose that a new subsection be added to Section 3 of 4647, explaining how to do matching in the presence of extlang tags (case 1) or Macrolanguage headers (case 2). The trouble with directly using the 4647 algorithms is that they will fall back poorly in case 1, because all other types of subtags will have been disregarded before the conversion from zh-yue to zh is made. In case 2, of course, the algorithms will not fall back at all, unless by a private extension. Therefore, matchers SHOULD, given a range with a 'yue' language subtag (case 1), or 'zh-yue' language and extlang subtags (case 2), add to the range list the corresponding range with the macrolanguage 'zh'. Likewise, a matcher given a range with a language subtag of 'nn' SHOULD add to the range list the corresponding range with the macrolanguage 'no', provided the LSR is available. All this is orthogonal to the question of representation. I favor 1 over 2 simply because nothing in 4647 MUSTard requires the availability of the registry, and I'd like to see it stay that way. (Currently, matchers are "encouraged", a non-MUSTard term, to use the registry for canonicalization, and people who create language ranges (as opposed to matchers) SHOULD NOT include suppressed scripts.) -- The experiences of the past show John Cowan that there has always been a discrepancy cowan@ccil.org between plans and performance. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan --Emperor Hirohito, August 1945 _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Informative (was: Extended language tags) Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended language ta… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended languag… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended languag… Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) - … Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) - … Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Debbie Garside
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Teleconference Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Debbie Garside