Re: [Ltru] draft-falk-transliteration-tags

Courtney Falk <court@infiauto.com> Mon, 04 July 2011 23:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ltru] draft-falk-transliteration-tags
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  That would be correct.

Nevil, is there anything else I need to do in order to withdraw my 
submission?


Courtney Falk

On 7/4/2011 6:46 PM, Mark Davis ☕ wrote:
> Courtney had agreed to combine efforts, resulting in 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davis-t-langtag-ext-01.
>
> Thanks for your feedback on the 00 version. There have been a number 
> of changes due to Martin Dürst's comments, and I have some feedback on 
> your issues below.
>
> Mark
> /— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —/
>
>
>
>
>            - Either identify transliteration, transcription, and
>            translation separately or explain what that is not
>            necessary.
>
>
> That should be described, perhaps something like:
>
> The transform involved (transliteration, transcription, translation, 
> or other) is specified by the mechanism. It may involve a combination 
> of techniques, such as translation for terms with specific or 
> well-known meanings (such as lake or park) and transcriptions for 
> other names (such as Lago di Bracciano). (Note that the difference 
> between "transliteration" and "transcription" is not always clear. 
> Some people restrict the use " transliteration" to be "lossless", 
> although it is rarely the case that any transform is purely lossless.)
>
>
>            - Make sure that transliteration and transcription
>            systems are properly and unambiguously identified or
>            explain why that is not necessary.
>
>
> The whole structure of BCP47 allows for a degree of specificity which 
> is flexible enough to meet user's needs. There are times, for example, 
> that all one knows about certain data content is that it is, say, 
> Cyrillic transliterated into Latin. In other circumstances, one might 
> know much more specifically that it is Bulgarian (Cyrillic) 
> transliterated into Spanish (Latin, Latin American) according to 
> Ivanov's 2009 rules.
>
>
>
>            - Rigorously define all subfields and alternate
>            extensions with either a well-defined model for
>            producing identifiers, a registry and registration
>            rules, or both.
>
>
> In specifying the source for the transform, we have simply followed 
> the structure of http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 itself, and require 
> no additional registry, because the 
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry and BCP47 
> supply everything that is required.
>
> In specifying the mechanism, we have followed the precedent of 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6067, in having the Unicode Consortium 
> maintain the registry.
>
> Mark