Re: [Ltru] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4645 (7605)

Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> Thu, 17 August 2023 22:16 UTC

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Why would you say that language tags and subtags are obsolete? What specifically led you to that?

—Doug

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Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4645 (7605)


> On 08/16/2023 11:16 PM EDT Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> wrote:
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> The comment “Language tags and sub tags are obsolete” is beyond misleading; I would characterize it as malicious misinformation.
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Doug,

Really? Malicious misinformation?  That is quite the accusation Doug, why would you say that?

Tim