[Ltru] Re: Language tags in the future version of HTTP
"Doug Ewell" <dewell@roadrunner.com> Sat, 01 December 2007 17:45 UTC
Return-path: <ltru-bounces@ietf.org>
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyWPX-0004aH-Dj; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:45:51 -0500
Received: from ltru by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IyWPW-0004aB-SE for ltru-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:45:50 -0500
Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyWPW-0004a2-IG for ltru@ietf.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:45:50 -0500
Received: from mta10.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.202]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyWPW-00034D-4X for ltru@ietf.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:45:50 -0500
Received: from DGBP7M81 ([76.167.184.182]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071201174549.IUZJ20104.mta10.adelphia.net@DGBP7M81> for <ltru@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:45:49 -0500
Message-ID: <006d01c83442$02855ec0$6601a8c0@DGBP7M81>
From: Doug Ewell <dewell@roadrunner.com>
To: LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
References: <E1IyTGd-0001uH-V7@megatron.ietf.org>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:45:48 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="utf-8"; reply-type="original"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1
Subject: [Ltru] Re: Language tags in the future version of HTTP
X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list <ltru.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/ltru>
List-Post: <mailto:ltru@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org
Frank Ellermann <nobody at xyzzy dot claranet dot de> wrote: >> Cross-references like that are generally considered a good thing, >> aren't they? They reduce the chances of introducing a typo that >> changes the ABNF, and serve to discourage each application from >> adopting their own, slightly different syntax. > > Depends. For 2616bis they could use a simplified syntax in the > direction of tag = primary *( "-" auxiliary ) directly expanded in > tag = 1*8( ALPHA / DIGIT ) *( "-" 1*8( ALPHA / DIGIT )) with a note > in prose that tags are actually supposed to be BCP 47 tags. We tried that with the "grandfathered" production in 4646, and we got complaints from people unhappy with the loose syntax that appeared, taken out of context, to allow "en-a-b-c-d-e". Having the real definition in prose didn't seem to help. Now we have a separate "irregular" production that enumerates all the grandfathered tags that don't fit the rest of the syntax. (BTW, are we going to remove the extlang production from the syntax and add a lot more items to the "irregular" list, or are we going to leave the production in place and cause people to scratch their heads wondering what it's there for?) >> "Self-sufficiency" should be a complete non-goal. > > As proposed above, where is the problem ? If their home-grown syntax doesn't agree with BCP 47, it's not clear which one people will believe. Remember how many people thought RFC 1766 and 3066 promised only "xx" and "xx-XX". -- Doug Ewell * Fullerton, California, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14 http://home.roadrunner.com/~dewell http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages ˆ _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extlangs John Cowan
- [Ltru] Fallback vs. Macrolanguage? (was: John Cow… Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Fallback vs. Macrolanguage? (was: John… Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: Fallback vs. Macrolanguage? (was: John… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Language tags in the future version of… Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] RFC 1591 (was: Re: draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Language tags in the future versio… Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Language tags in the future version of… Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: RFC 1591 Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] RFC 1591 (was: Re: draft-ietf-ltru-464… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] RFC 1591 (was: Re: draft-ietf-ltru-464… Debbie Garside
- [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on extl… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: John Cowan throws in the towel on … Peter Constable