Re: [Ltru] Mail regarding draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis and draft-ietf-ltru-matching

"Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org> Tue, 27 August 2019 17:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ltru] Mail regarding draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis and draft-ietf-ltru-matching
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On July 27, Florian Rivoal wrote:
 
> However, RFC5646 Section 4.5, which defines canonicalization, only
> does so for language tags, not for language ranges. Presumably, the
> process is largely the same, with wildcards in the language subtag
> being preserved, and I suppose wildcards in other subtags would likely
> be dropped. But as it stands, that seems undefined.
 
I think you are on the right track by assuming that ranges are
canonicalized just like tags, with asterisks left alone.
 
It's not very likely that most LTRU participants will be eager to start
up a new IETF project to update 5646 for something like this. Best to go
with your assumption.
 
> Also, while giving recommendations about canonicalization for the
> purpose of filtering, it would seem useful to mention (and possibly to
> recommend) canonicalizing to the "extlang form". The definition of the
> extlang form itself (in  RFC5646 Section 4.5) mentions that it is
> useful for matching and selecting, but that information isn't relayed
> anywhere RFC4647.
 
At the time these documents were written, there was a strong sentiment
around de-emphasizing extlangs in general. It's good to know that
there's a real-world use case for using them here. Again, it's unlikely
that people will want to rev 4647 for this.
 
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