Re: [Ltru] draft-davis-t-langtag-ext
"Phillips, Addison" <addison@lab126.com> Fri, 08 July 2011 16:31 UTC
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From: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@lab126.com>
To: Debbie Garside <debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk>, 'Doug Ewell' <doug@ewellic.org>, "ltru@ietf.org" <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:31:39 -0700
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There is no such thing as a "private extension". The whole point of the extension mechanism is public use. We provide private use subtags for private use. Addison > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Debbie Garside > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:09 AM > To: 'Doug Ewell'; ltru@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ltru] draft-davis-t-langtag-ext > > Also, if my memory serves me correct, the responsibility for maintaining > extension data was designed for private extensions not this type of extension > where there is a more public use. > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Debbie Garside > Sent: 08 July 2011 16:14 > To: 'Doug Ewell'; ltru@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ltru] draft-davis-t-langtag-ext > > Thanks for the explanations Doug > > Yes, it all seems terribly fractured which is another reason for keeping it within > IETF. > > Best wishes > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Doug > Ewell > Sent: 08 July 2011 15:55 > To: ltru@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ltru] draft-davis-t-langtag-ext > > Debbie Garside <debbie at ictmarketing dot co dot uk> wrote: > > > But I still don't see why it needs to be taken out of IETF. Where is > > the added value? Where are discussions held? Why create another list > > when we already have IETF-languages? > > ... > > I really need to be shown the added value of outsourcing this work. I > > am open to being persuaded. > > Actually, the responsibility for maintaining extension data has always been > delegated, ever since RFC 4646 introduced the extension mechanism. > > A draft that proposes a new extension, such as the one under discussion, > defines the maintaining or registering authority for that extension. In theory > this could be the ietf-languages list itself, but the membership of that list, taken > as a whole, has historically been less than eager to embrace the extension > concept. Usually, proposing an extension implies that one is assuming > responsibility for its maintenance, including setting up a mailing list for > discussion. > > The CLDR folks were ultimately responsible for proposing both RFC 6067 (the - > u- extension) and the present draft, and it is natural that they assume > responsibility for maintaining it. I'm not worried about that. > I do have concerns that we neglected, in 4646 and 5646, to require that the > maintaining authority be open or have a transparent process, or that the > "registry" of extension data (paragraph 3) not be spread out across multiple > documents in different formats, including algorithms and prose descriptions, > omissions which are exploited (both IMHO) by 6067 and by the present draft. > > -- > Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | RFC 5645, 4645, UTN #14 > www.ewellic.org | www.facebook.com/doug.ewell | @DougEwell > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- Re: [Ltru] Fwd: draft-davis-t-langtag-ext Debbie Garside
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