Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish]
Marion Gunn <mgunn@egt.ie> Wed, 20 January 2010 13:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish]
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Scríobh Peter Constable: > > ... I think procedural issues would more likely be about demonstrating > that the user / expert community recognizes a conventional distinction > between the different varieties and that there is reasonable consensus > as to what the pertinent historical distinctions in the evolution of > Irish are. > > > > > > Cheers > > Peter > That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited). mg To: TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE From: Marion Gunn <mgunn@ucd.ie> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000 As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering such a tag (rather the reverse). mg Scríobh ejp10: Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted because the language is so distinct from Old Irish. I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :) Elizabeth On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote: From: Caoimhin O Donnaile <caoimhin@SMO.UHI.AC.UK> Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish / Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems that although there are official codes for: gv Modern Manx gd Modern Scottish Gaelic ga Modern Irish ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries) mga Middle Irish sga Old Irish xtg Transalpine Gaulish xcg Cisalpine Gaulish xce Celtiberian as can be seen from the lists at: http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been talking to David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we could find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the next step would be for us to fill in the request form at: http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any comments. Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs? Caoimhín -- Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991) 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an Bhóthair, An Charraig Dhubh, Co. Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland * mgunn@egt.ie * eamonn@egt.ie *
- [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An offici… Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An of… Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An of… Marion Gunn
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