Re: [Ltru] Updated draft-4646bis...

That's fine by me.

On 8/1/07, Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
>
> You have to read the document. The terms "valid" and "well-formed" have
> a different meaning in the context of RFC 4646/4646bis. The term "valid"
> was chosen carefully in this context.
>
> Mark and others are correct that every tag has *a* meaning (we even
> spell out the one for the "meaningless" tag in the example). But that
> does not mean that every tag is *meaningful*.
>
> How about this version instead:
>
>
> <t>Validity of a tag is not everything. While every valid tag has a
> meaning, it might not represent any real language usage. This is
> unavoidable in a system in which subtags can be combined freely. For
> example, tags such as "ar-Cyrl-CO" (Arabic, Cyrillic script, as used in
> Colombia ) or "tlh-Kore-AQ-fonipa" (Klingon, Korean script, as used in
> Antarctica, IPA phonetic transcription) are both valid and unlikely to
> represent a useful combination of language attributes.</t>
>
> Addison
>
> David Dalby wrote:
> > I agree!
> >
> > David
> >
> >  _____________________________________________________
> >
> > Dr David Dalby
> > The Linguasphere Observatory
> > Hebron
> > Whitland
> > Wales
> > SA34 0XT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Debbie Garside [mailto:debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk]
> > Sent: 01 August 2007 13:44
> > To: addison@yahoo-inc.com; 'Marion Gunn'
> > Cc: 'LTRU Working Group'
> > Subject: RE: [Ltru] Updated draft-4646bis...
> >
> > Addison wrote:
> >
> >> A tag can be valid yet meaningless.
> >
> > I don't really like this as it seems, on the face of it, a contradiction
> in
> > terms.  I would propose one of the following:
> >
> > ---
> > A tag can be well formed yet meaningless.
> >
> > A tag can be well formed in terms of syntax, and thus valid, yet
> meaningless
> > in terms of its attributes. For example, ...
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Addison Phillips [mailto:addison@yahoo-inc.com]
> >> Sent: 31 July 2007 16:52
> >> To: Marion Gunn
> >> Cc: LTRU Working Group
> >> Subject: Re: [Ltru] Updated draft-4646bis...
> >>
> >> Marion Gunn wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > However, here goes with one more attempt:
> >>  >
> >>  > "For example, although a tag such as 'ar-Cyrl-CO' (Arabic,
> >> as used in  > Columbia,  > written in Cyrillic script) is
> >> valid, it is [most] unlikely to be of  > use, because  > such
> >> combination of attributes is unlikely to occur in actual
> >> language  > use."
> >>  >
> >>
> >> I note that it is useful to look at the actual editor's copy
> >> when suggesting minor editorial changes. Upon reflection, I
> >> found the current sentence to be a bit of a run-on. I've
> >> taken your suggestion of 'unlikely' and edited further such
> >> that the paragraph now reads:
> >>
> >> <t>Validity of a tag is not everything. A tag can be valid
> >> yet meaningless. This is unavoidable with a generative system
> >> like the language subtag mechanism. For example, a tag such
> >> as "ar-Cyrl-CO"
> >> (Arabic, Cyrillic script, as used in Colombia) is perfectly valid.
> >> However, it is unlikely to be a useful tag, as it represents
> >> an unlikely combination of language attributes that is
> >> probably unrelated to any real language usage.</t>
> >>
> >> After five minutes from now, you will need to comment on
> >> draft-08. I'm always happy to consider editorial changes that
> >> improve the text.
> >>
> >> Addison
> >>
> >> --
> >> Addison Phillips
> >> Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.
> >> Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG
> >>
> >> Internationalization is an architecture.
> >> It is not a feature.
> >>
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> Addison Phillips
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> Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG
>
> Internationalization is an architecture.
> It is not a feature.
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Mark